Discovering Juliana Jewerly Group archives, Jan Young, DEJ, DJJ

The Truth About the Discovering Juliana Jewelry Group
Pertinent group posts and email

-------- Original Message --------

Subject:	Message not approved: New password
Date:	Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:10:00 -0000
From:	paulad1062 ****
To:	Rebecca Fransway <fransway@dcn.davis.ca.us>

Messages of this type will not be posted to the group. You are a non 
contributing member. If you contributed anything at all in 2008 you 
would have recieved your password.
Paula moderator of the group


> --- In discoveringjulianajewelry@yahoogroups.com, "pjbell1945"
> <pjbell1945@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > I need help with the new password..I tried several times to get 
>>into 
> > the verification folders (even used cut & paste) and cannot get 
>>access.
> > Can someone help??


> Good Luck... This has been a continuing problem since this I joined
> this group years ago. There are serious control issues and unfounded
> fears run rampant that diminish the usefulness of this group. 
> 
> I still don't have the new password because months and months ago
> someone who started another group and was accused of coming in here
> and copying things. It is all nothing but petty little bull pucky. I
> wasn't given a password because I am a member of that group, plus I
> never posted often enough to please the powers that be. You have to,
> in essence, join a cult in order to get anything out of this group. 
> 
> Have a great time!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bexter

Within hours, the following email came from reigning despot Jan Young.
You can see by this email that she is, as another member put it, a loon.

-------- Original Message --------

Subject:	DJJ Membership
Date:	Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:52:53 -0700 (PDT)
From:	DEJ <pairofbaubles@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:	pairofbaubles@yahoo.com
To:	Rebecca Fransway <fransway@dcn.davis.ca.us>

Dear Rebecca,

I found a message written by you regarding our group when I returned from vacation and felt compelled to respond.

First of all, I wouldn't join a group or stay in a group if I didn't agree with the rules, procedures or management of said group. If I decided to stay in the group, I would make sure I complied and learned to live within the rules established before I became a member and continue to do so. If I joined to learn, I would be learning and asking training related questions. If I joined to use the resources, I would be contributing and doing my part to make sure those resources were maintained and replenished. If I joined to learn and be a part of something but couldn't contribute, why I would make myself known to one or more moderators and keep in touch to stay current with membership and passwords. There are many ways to be an active member and all of them are positive and a win-win for both parties.

Additionally, if I couldn't compose an email to a group member without including rude, disparaging or some sort of passive/aggressive undertones, I would immediately unsubscribe myself and take time for self-reflection to determine the underlying cause for my rage and hostility toward people I don't even know.

A child is punished for this type of behavior, are they not? Why would you think adults would find this acceptable behavior from another adult? Maybe this sort of communication or behavior is applauded in your household/family, but it has no place in a group where we have to rely on each other to share what we have discovered or learned and hope that others will do the same.

Our group is trying to accurately research and identify unsigned jewelry and find as many examples of D&E as possible. We have zero tolerance and no time for group instigators, nor for people who prey on other people's hard work without their knowledge or written permission, or for people who are out for their own personal financial gain with no thought to giving back to the group or group members. We especially take a dim view to people who use and abuse individuals in our group via private email or group message posts.

First you demanded and wheedled and when that didn't work, you threatened and tried to bully. When that didn't work, you then tried harassment and insulting people. And because you still didn't get your way, you blamed your situation on others and other group affiliations which was erroneous and suspect.

Your repeated attempts to affront me and other members of this group with your rude and vengeful remarks will not be rewarded. This isn't the first time you have written something which I can only describe as arrogant and inflammatory but it will definitely be the last.

According to the Yahoo TOS agreement, the group owner and moderators are within their right to operate a Yahoo group as they see fit. Based on your repeated violations of group procedures, you are no longer a member of the DJJ restricted membership group.

DEJ

In DJJ, members have no right to passwords to the photo albums unless Jan decides they can have one:

The next day, possibly encouraged by the small rebellion, some heretofore quiet member wrote some hilarious parodies and posted them to the to the group, using the email addresses of various members who were not moderated because they obey. Hence, the parodies posted to the entire list. I did not see these until the next day, when another ex grouper sent me a digest of some of these posts. Here are a few of them:

4a.
(no subject)
Posted by: "DEJ" pairofbaubles@yahoo.com pairofbaubles
Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:40 am (PDT)
I was wondering if anyone thinks this might be Juliana:

http://tinyurl.com/59fmh2

How about this:

http://tinyurl.com/6p4cwn

Hahaha! No, that last one is just a picture of me after I collected
all the money from DJJ auction. Yeeeeeeep!

Really, I was wondering about what you all think of just dropping all
the passwords and letting our information be free to everyone. Juliana
jewelry should not be just MY property, should it? I've been accused
of taking everyone's pictures for a book I am preparing and then
blocking them from the group if they complain.

And I no longer think I should demand obedience just because I worked
so hard. I'm sorry to everyone who has felt the demeaning atmosphere
that so resembles a, well, prison atmosphere. As many of you know,
I've worked too many years in the Florida Corrections Department, and
I'm afraid it's become part of my personality that is only hurting us
as a group. I know this group has become a laughingstock, and I want
to behave more legitimately and less like a control freak.

Lets make this a group discussion. Please.

DEJ
Janis Young
Tampa, Florida

6.
Re: The Juliana Jewelry Group
Posted by: "Paula Douglass"
Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:52 am (PDT)
You know, Jan, I'm glad you finally came to face the facts. Look, I've
been trying to get Bruce to answer my emails about getting you some
help. Anyway, I called a couple of institutions in Tampa that might be
able to help you. The nurse over at Northside gave me the short list:

My advice: Call. Call today.

Northside Mental Health Center, 12512 Bruce B Downs Blvd, Tampa, FL 33612
(813) 681-6543

Carrollwood Psychotherapy Grp, 3601 Madaca Ln, Tampa, FL 33618
(813) 960-0181

Mobile Crisis Response Team, 2212 E Henry Ave # A, Tampa, FL 33610
(813) 272-2270

Mental Health Care Inc, 2214 E Henry Ave, Tampa, FL 33610
(813) 272-2866

Paula

7.
The Pessary Truck
Posted by: "DEJ" pairofbaubles@yahoo.com pairofbaubles
Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:00 am (PDT)
Bruce called and they are on their way. I've been this way ever since
I fell off the back of a pessary truck while still a child. I was
bumped terribly on the head.

Oh dear! Here come the sirens....

Janis Young

8.
Re: The Discovering Juliana Jewelry Group
Posted by: "Paula Douglass"
Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:07 am (PDT)

Jan,

Before you go, do you want me to take care of unleashing all the
passwords, and to make this group password free, with open albums?
After all, none of the true jewelry people keep their info locked up.
Why, look at all the wonderful jewelry resources on the internet, that
are absolutely free to come go as one pleases without getting snotty
emails.

Oh, and by the way, I know exactly what a pessary looks like, since
I've named myself after one:

http://tinyurl.com/6hkg92

A truck full of them certainly doesn't sound like any fun!

Paula

9a.
Just call me Pair of Bubbles....
Posted by: "DEJ" pairofbaubles@yahoo.com pairofbaubles
Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:19 am (PDT)
They are letting me use the laptop Bruce smuggled into the ambulance,
though it is very difficult to type when wearing a straitjacket. I'm
using my nose. It's running from all the crying I have been doing due
to the barrenness of my life and the compromise I've made with my own
Christian Values. Now, snot and tears are getting all over the
keyboard. One of my shoes is gone, and on the other foot, my sock is
tucked way down into the heel of my tennis shoe and it hurts. My
panties have crawled way up my a** and it's really bugging me.

Hang on while I get Bruce to pull the panties out of my a**.

Ahhh, such relief. You know, I think this straitjacket might be just
the thing for me. It would be justice wouldn't it. After all, isn't it
me who said:

Just call me a Pair of Bubbles. That's what's coming out of my nose
right now, and what my head is beginning to feel like now that this
nurse has given me a shot....oh, and what a handsome nurse he is......

----------------------------------------------------------

Dear Joolies,

This is Jan's husband. She fell asleep and the laptop is all wet. I'm
sorry, will let you know as soon as possible if she's going to be OK.
She reminds me of that poor little puppy I bought her that got caught
in a rat trap and almost chewed his poor little paw off before someone
came to the rescue.

Did any of you know that one of Janice's maternal aunts was Eva Braun?
I wonder if these kinds of ideas about everyone marching in lockstep
could be genetic?

Bruce

The following two pitiful emails from the same digest appear to be replies to the parodies by real members, who are willing to give their money or to re-assure Jan that they are following the all important rules....

9b.
Re: Just call me Pair of Bubbles....
Posted by: "M***
Mon Aug 11, 2008
I was so sad to read this..you are a truely amazing person who has
given your time to a wonderful organization. .and I especially
appreciate you and your talents..if you need any help or a little
extra money, please feel free to ask. Just mail m*@aol.com

M***

10b.
Re: [SPAM][discoveringjulianajewelry] DJJ Membership
Posted by: "J***"
Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:57 am (PDT)
Dear DEJ
Just a note to tell you, how much I appreciate
all the time and work it takes to maintaiin a group.
I have learn so much. Also I really like the new reminders that is great.
I have not been very active in the past months due to family issues ( hubby hurt his back, had to take 3 grandaughters in, and I always have my disable son to care for) it does not leave much time for research ect.
But every morning I read the emails and feel I am not alone.
You are a great lady!!!!
We all read the rules before joining, and yes sometimes one can make a mistake but I do think that there is a lot of
information in the folders that belong to those who contributed and agreed to the rules, so if we want access lets follow the rules.
Have a great day. :)
J***

Following is Jan's e-mailed response to the parodies. This came to all members as a special bulletin. In the mail she attempts to tie me in with the parodies, even though she knows I was already cut off from writing or seeing any messages at all on the group.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Discovering D&E Jewelry <pairofbaubles@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Subject: [discoveringjulianajewelry] Group Bulletin - Don't Delete
To: discoveringjulianajewelry@yahoogroups.com

Two Important Bulletins,

Rebecca Fransway was removed from the group last night as a result of inappropriate message posts and not wishing to follow group procedures.

Removing a member is not an action that is reached in a second or taken lightly since everyone deserves a chance to learn and be a part of the group they join.

Early this morning, the group message board was hit with bogus emails by an unknown author masquerading as Mikki, Paula, Brandy, Dinah,
Rosella, me and a host of others. These messages appear as valid email messages but if you look closely, you will note the differences
and inconsistencies.

The only way to prevent low-life from posting additional bogus responses to self-generated bogus messages with other people's IDs is
to MODERATE the whole group.

Rest assured this has been reported to Yahoo and law enforcement agenceis. It is a violation of the Terms of Service Agreement with Yahoo and any other ISP. This is also considered a form of
impersonation/identity fraud according to the FBI. Impersonation fraud occurs when someone assumes your identity to perform a fraud or
other criminal act.

Additionally, if you receive a message from Yahoo asking for you to confirm your request to unsubscribe yourself, please forward that
with the message header to abuse@yahoo.com and/or your internet service provider.

Thank you!

DEJ

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:
Your Assistance Would Be Appreciated
Date:
Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
From:
K. ****
Reply-To:
K. ***
To: fransway@dcn.davis.ca.us <fransway@dcn.davis.ca.us>

Dear Rebecca - as an avid buyer of vintage costume jewelry and member of DJJ I’m sure you would agree that the demented performance of “someone” this morning on our board was repulsive, extremely unprofessional, and transparently dripping with jealousy. (my note: she refers to the parodies of Jan Young and Paula Douglass)
Don’t you think we need to make sure that we don’t inadvertently purchase anything from or do business with this person who deceitfully and reprehensibly engaged in this malicious activity? I can only surmise what a transaction with a hateful individual like that would be like? And I thought I lived in LA LA Land. (my note: that thought was probably correct, sweetheart) So, if you have any additional business information on this person (i.e. another website or E-bay ID or store etc.) could you please forward it at your earliest convenience as I know there are many others who would also appreciate the protection. Thank you for your help. K.****

Poor Jan! I'll bet she's exhausted using C-cleaner on her computer and staying up all night going through the archives to delete incriminating evidence!

What evidence is Jan frantically trying to erase? Evidence that explains the Important Notice she posted to the list back on January 12, 2008. My note: The name of the person this was directed toward has been changed to "Henry." Also, the real names of other jewelry discussion lists have been replaced with (Other Jewelry Discussion List.)

----- Original Message -----
From: Discovering D&E Jewelry
To: discoveringjulianaj ewelry@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: [discoveringjuliana jewelry] Important Notice

Hi All,

Well I hate to leave bad news for the very end of the day, but maybe
no one will read it until tomorrow.

I am glad to hear that some of you received your auction wins from
Fred Miller (aka Henry aka George Baily) because he is no longer
in the group and neither is Henry.

No one (Fred, Henry, George) ever paid the photographer and there has been plenty of time and discussion to let me know if "someone" had changed their mind, but I was led to believe it was still a go.

We don't need the calendar for our conference fund, so let's do that
as a group project and have our jewelry photographed well and sent
back to you post haste.

Also, Henry or George promised several weeks ago to donate D&E jewelry to our group and group archives to be showcased and introduced at the conference. For weeks we have been waiting for the shipment but it has been delayed many times. I doubt it is coming. On Tuesday I was told it was somehow sent to the wrong person, wrong address, state and with no tracking or insurance information.

I really don't know whether Henry is George Bailey or George
Bailey is really Henry from the (Other Jewelry Discussion List,)
so I will say one of them (or both) was Fred Miller donating jewelry
to the auction.

I try to give people their privacy when they ask to go under another
name for posting purposes but that ends right now. Our policy is
changing to reflect this. If you sign up in this group, you post and
use your legal name. And if you are found doing this type of
falderal in our albums you will be removed.

While all this is going on, a member reports suspicious contact from
someone using an ID that was not listed as a member of our group who is looking in our protected files and then challenged him to verify
his DJJ status. He became defensive and wanted to know why that was necessary and then identified himself as Henry from
(Other Jewelry Discussion List) to her and then minutes later as
"George" to me to explain that he was in our files doing something
without Henry's knowledge that he shouldn't have been doing.
When I didn't respond, then Henry started writing to me using the same ID but I still didn't respond. I never heard a word from Fred.

When I refused to reply, he sent another email informing me that if I
did not write back or help him fix this mess they created, he would
not honor any more auction wins and would leave me to figure out how to fix that with the winners.

If you paid Friday for your auction wins, you will receive a refund
on the amount one of them is not sending.

If you had a pending invoice as of Friday, and you won something from them, your invoice was cancelled and a revised invoice will be sent to you.

The (Other Jewelry Discussion List) has borrowed enough information
from our group's ImageEvent account and our Yahoo home page. It was time to get them out.

Now we begin our password change to be completed tomorrow.

If any of you believe our higher level password may have been
compromised too, let me know now so we can change that while we are switching the other out.

Well, that about sums up my week, how was yours - boring?

DEJ

--- On Wed, 11/7/07, Pairofbaubles <pairofbaubles@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Pairofbaubles <pairofbaubles@yahoo.com>
Subject: What Fred Says
To: "henry" <***@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 12:26 PM

Hi All,

My name is Fred Miller and I am a new member of the group here to learn and see if I have any of this jewelry before I give it away for a song. I'm planning to attend the conference for training and possibly selling. I am a retired dealer of all sorts of antiques including jewelry. It sure is pretty, but of course I can't wear it and it just sits here winking at me.

I have been reading all the information and looking at what is being donated and realize DEJ needs more jewels, more signed pieces and more people bidding. If we need to raise money, let's raise some MONEY and get some jewels out there for this month and next month.

I know women like a challenge and that is what I am doing. Spread the word and let's get some people in here bidding and helping this along.

I am planning to donate at least 10 signed high quality sets and/or individual pieces to the December auction. Your first conference and the maker will be there? Shoot - we need to really raise the roof on this fund raiser. We need to take it up TWO notches.

I'm donating some Hattie Carnegie, Hobe (a parure, signed, sealed and delivered), Boucher, Coro Craft Sterling, Jewels by Trifari (original box with all the tags), Original by Robert, Whiting & Davis, a Navajo Indian Squash Blossom necklace, Sterling Indian Fetish Necklace, Stanley Hagler Ian St. Gellar, Alice Caviness, Weiss (my grandmother's set), Har, Pennetta, Vendome and anything else I can find I think you might like.

Thanks,

Fred

Kind Regards,

DEJ

P.S. - Check out our jewelry auction and conference
http://www.imageevent.com/discoveringdandejewelry/show

Ooops! A pesky notice of auction wins that Jan wrote then sent to Henry so he could mail them to the auction winners!