The Truth about the Discovering Juliana Jewelry Group  

Update: August 16, 2008

Continued from Fraud Alert Page

The Truth About the Discovering Juliana Jewelry Group part 2

On the evening of Jan. 12, 2008, just before the first DJJ convention, Janice Young of Tampa Florida, authoritarian leader of the cult-like Discovering Juliana Jewelry group, dumped this e-mail upon the list, in order to start a discussion about "Henry." First, read the entire email.

When I first read this, I didn't know Henry very well, but not knowing yet the full extent of Jan's lies, I thought that maybe someone was using different user names to get Jan's files, though what anyone would want them for, except just to look at, I had no idea. The only reason I wanted to look at the files is because I had won items in the auction (not from Henry) and hadn't received them yet either. I had forgotten what the auctions were and who the senders were and I wanted to refresh my memory by looking at the file of ended convention auctions. But it was now password protected, and Jan had, as usual, disdained to give me a password. But later I found out what had happened to Henry. Let us go through Jan's email line by line so you can understand as well.

Well I hate to leave bad news for the very end of the day, but maybe
no one will read it until tomorrow.

I am glad to hear that some of you received your auction wins from
Fred Miller (aka Henry aka George Bailey) because he is no longer
in the group and neither is Henry.

There are actually three different people in the Fred Miller, George Baily, and Henry trio. Jan made it seem as if one person is using different IDs in the DJJ group, and also made it seem as if he could not be relied upon to send people who bought the jewelry he donated to the group to raise funds for the convention. 

But then, I learned the FACTS:  Jan knew, at the time of the writing,  exactly who Henry and George are. Henry is a friend who joined the group and gave Jan thousands of dollars in jewelry and money.  George is a friend and roommate of Henry. George also sometimes used Henry's email account to send email notifying Jan of the delay, which Jan, of course, knew.

Plus, Jan knows exactly who Fred Miller is. Back in November of 2007, Jan herself created the character, Fred Miller,  for Henry,  because he needed to post about his donations and she didn't want him to post to DJJ in his name due to the fact that he had another jewelry email group that she was helping him with. This is crazy reasoning, but this is what she told him and he went along.  So (not trusting him to be as duplicitous as herself) she wrote all the Fred Miller emails, sent them to Henry, and Henry posted them to DJJ. To prove this see Jan's Nov. 7th 2007 Fred Miller email sent to Henry.  Fred Miller is Jan! Here's more proof  Although Jan began to delete the Fred Miller emails from the archive right away, she froze the archives just yesterday to delete more email because knew this was coming. But those on the group  at the time will remember Fred Miller and his posts to DJJ.

What is even worse, Jan knew the packages were on the way, and she knew why they were late. Henry had cancer and had just gone for his second round of chemotherapy. He was extremely ill, too ill to send the packages, so George had to mail the packages of jewels for him. George  goofed on the address of one of them, but all eventually got sent to the new owners. Read proof in a January 9th email between Jan and George.  In weeks prior, she had also talked to him on the phone sometimes when she called Henry in order to wrangle more money out of him, although Henry usually called her, racking up an $800 phone bill. Here's a later email on the same day.  Jan to George email. 

But, Jan's staunch devotees might ask, why would Jan tell such pointless lies? I doubt Jan needs a reason to lie; she does it all the time. But in this case there is a reason:  the rage of a narcissist who doesn't get what she wants, in this case thousands of $$ more from Henry. In  the next couple of paragraphs of the special bulletin,  Jan will (sort of) tell you herself:

No one (Fred, Henry, George) never paid the photographer and there has been plenty of time and discussion to let me know if "someone" had changed their mind, but I was led to believe it was still a go.

We don't need the calendar for our conference fund, so let's do that
as a group project and have our jewelry photographed well and sent
back to you post haste.

 

The FACTS: Weeks prior, Jan and Henry had discussed Jan's desire to have professional photos of DJJ group members'  best Juliana jewelry.  

It is not necessary for a costume jewelry  group to have a professional photographer; the members of DJJ are for the most part  fine photographers themselves. But clearly Jan wanted even better photos--not for group members, although she  played it off as such, but for herself. Remember, anything produced or purchased within the group is Jan's, and every expense belongs to members of the group. 

During their discussion, Henry promised Jan $300 toward the photographer. The amount they agreed on was clear to Jan. Yet Jan went out and hired a photographer at a charge of $3,000. She tried to get Henry to pay it and he refused, telling her he would give her $300 as agreed.  As far as Jan was concerned, this was the end of their friendship; she could not get any more money out of Henry. Using the group as an outlet for her rage, she lied the them in order to get all of them to disapprove of  Henry as well. Following are more lies, outrageous lies:

Also, Henry or George promised several weeks ago to donate D&E jewelry to our group and group archives to be showcased and introduced at the conference. For weeks we have been waiting for the shipment but it has been delayed many times. I doubt it is coming. On Tuesday I was told it was somehow sent to the wrong person, wrong address, state and with no tracking or insurance information. (my note:  we've already seen the email from George written 3 days prior, where George explains what happened to the package. Jan knew the package was coming)

I really don't know whether Henry is George Bailey or George
Bailey is really Henry from *another jewelry email group*,
so I will say one of them (or both) was Fred Miller donating jewelry
to the auction.

Lies, lies, lies.  Shame, shame on Jan Young!  But as Jan goes on, she becomes more and more despicable:

I try to give people their privacy when they ask to go under another
name for posting purposes but that ends right now. Our policy is
changing to reflect this. If you sign up in this group, you post and
use your legal name. And if you are found doing this type of
falderal in our albums you will be removed.

So Jan's ruling is that policies have changed to  become even more restrictive based on  her pretension that untrustworthy persons try to break into the group under different user names.  

Lies, lies, lies. But simply making Henry appear unreliable was not good enough for Jan. She had to make him look worse, like a picture thief, the worst thing you can be in Discovering Juliana Jewelry. 

While all this is going on, a member reports suspicious contact from
someone using an ID that was not listed as a member of our group who is looking in our protected files and then challenged him to verify
his DJJ status. He became defensive and wanted to know why that was necessary and then identified himself as Henry from *another jewelry group* to her and then minutes later as "George" to me to explain that he was in our files doing something with out Henry's knowledge that he shouldn't have been doing. When I didn't respond, then Henry started writing to me using the same ID but I still didn't respond. I never heard a word from Fred.

When I refused to reply, he sent another email informing me that if I
did not write back or help him fix this mess they created, he would
not honor any more auction wins and would leave me to figure out how to fix that with the winners.

 

Notice that in the rather smelly dribble of  lies and vague ramblings, Jan does not say what happened, and in the following posts, her believers who reply (coming soon) do not know what happened either, they simply repeat what Jan has told them. Nobody knows what happened in the albums, only that Jan's devoted album monitor thought the other user was "suspicious." We don't know, nor do we care what Henry was doing in the albums;  he had a password and a right to be there. If it was George sitting in front of the computer that night, does anyone in their right mind believe that he committed the utmost crime by using Henry's password to look at the forbidden albums? Still, why should anyone care? What can anyone possibly do to albums ?

Nothing. But in the insanity of DJJ, the password protected image albums are an ongoing frantic concern, almost a fetish. One of the  most  ridiculous features of this group, the obsession with the image albums, has caused more trouble than anything else. Jan has somehow convinced otherwise intelligent people that it is to their benefit to allow her to assist them in the protection of these images. No one mentions that the images are now Jan's, and the creators of those images have no right to passwords or even to be in the group. 

At least we  can laugh our heads off at the ridiculous statement "I never heard a word from Fred" 

But what is most chilling is that Jan has no regard for, or acknowledgement of,  the serious illness that completely upset the lives of Henry and George. Without a thought, she tears down her former friend to get sympathy, trust, and of course, money for the photographer, from her believers. 

This tells us that Jan is the kind of person who would push her best friend down smoky stairs so she can get away from the burning building faster.  

 

....To be continued
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